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Aussie Steve's picture
#52

The Burke Road tram extension (north AND south) is indeed a no brainer.

But when the tram hits Waverley Rd, it just needs to turn west and head to Caulfield Station to terminate. Easy and simple.

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drunkill's picture
#53

They want it down Warrigal Road so it hits the TAFE, although Chadstone Road is only 500m short of the closest point the tram gets to the tafe in their route.

If it ran up Chadstone road I wonder how you'd terminate the line. Given Chadstone are building their new bus terminal on the south east side of the complex you could have the tram run along the Dandenong Road frontage of Chadstone, there is enough room there and it is only footpaths/entrance roads until it reaches the south east entrance and continues into the bus terminal.

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johnproctor's picture
#54

You seem pretty well informed on this stuff Steve...

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johnproctor's picture
#55

peter maletzos... Sorry that you'll only have trams every 6 minutes in peak instead of every 4 minutes. That must be so inconvenient!

As taxpayers we should all be mindful of the value we get out of nearly $3 billion given to operators to run the train/tram/bus network... Anything less than 10 minute frequency is at 'turn up and go' levels and we should then be matching appropriate sized fleet to meet capacity. If you really want more frequency why don't we turn route 19 into z class only and have one every minute?

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#56

^^ I would actually prefer Z class every minute!

Those D class cattle trucks are amongst the most uncomfortable trams in the fleet.

......And it was the introduction of the long 5 module D class trams that helped justify the closing down of at least 3 tram stops on Elizabeth Street.

The frustration of not being able to get off when trams stop at intersections where there were tram stops once is  [email protected]#* annoying!!

Also it's a joke that there are trams every 4 minutes when you often get nothing for 10-15 minutes and then 3 trams in a row.

When that happens and it's often, the first tram doesn't even go all the way, often stopping a couple of stops later to reverse.

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gobillino's picture
#57

The low floor, multi door D Class are much better than Z Class or similar in avoiding the very bunching you're talking about, with much shorter load time. That's why you get such ridiculous bunching on Collins and Swanston. Z and As are too small for city center loads, and should only be used for suburban shuttles

And doesn't having the lead tram in a bunch of three turn back make sense? What possible purpose does it serve to have three trams crawling along in unison, the first one bursting at the seams, the second two at 15% of capacity.

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#58

^^ D class trams jolt start and commuters who are not used to this often find themselves almost falling over every time they start.

The seats (if you can find any) in these trams are very uncomfortable, and if the tram is not going the distance, they should announce it before people get on, not at the next stop where they are forced off again.

The time waisted having people all get off one tram, on another and waiting for the lead tram to reverse is quite a lot.

One step forward, two steps back!

 

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#59

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/its-a-west-side-story-as-trams-switch-...

It's a west side story as trams switch routes for Metro rail tunnel

April 17, 2015

Adam Carey

More than a third of Melbourne's tram routes will be forced to run a different course through the city during the long period of disruption while Swanston Street is dug up to build the Melbourne Metro rail tunnel.

Ten tram routes that currently run along Swanston Street will be diverted onto other lines in the CBD's west end, requiring the construction of new tram tracks in the city centre, as the $11 billion rail tunnel is constructed.

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Alastair Taylor's picture
#60

It'll be interesting to see where/what gets diverted.

They'll need to build Swanston St into Westbound Victoria St connections, Victoria Street to Southbound Elizabeth Street connections and Victoria Street to southbound Peel Street connections.

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#61

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/2-billion-for-trains-trams-and-jobs-in-vic...

$2 Billion For Trains, Trams And Jobs In Victoria

Monday 04 May 2015

The Andrews Labor Government will invest $2 billion to kick start a long-term plan for train and tram manufacturing in Victoria, securing existing jobs in the industry and creating new jobs.

The Strategy sets out our ten-year plan for 100 new metropolitan trains, 100 new trams, and a massive expansion of our regional train fleet.

• $274 million for 20 E-Class Trams

• $21 million to extend the life of the B-Class Tram fleet

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Alastair Taylor's picture
#62

Fantastic that the 82/Footscray tram will no longer be marooned from the 59/Airport West in Moonee Ponds

http://yarratrams.com.au/media-centre/news/articles/2015/moonee-ponds-tr...

Melbourne's Trams

from Yarra Tram's site:

- The creation of an intermodal interchange for both buses and trams, which provides one tram stop for Routes 82 and 59.
- The reconfiguration of the junction, making it safer and easier to access for tram passengers.
- Construction of a pair of raised platform stops to service both Routes 82 and 59.
- The upgrade will bring the infrastructure up to the most current standards, incorporating a new semi-resilient track that requires less time, resources and delays to replace in the future and providing tram passengers with a smoother, quieter journey.

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#63

Great shot of a Y class tram on Burwood Highway taken in June 1981 by Weston Langford.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/114537/

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#64

X1 class tram in front of Footscray depot in February 1962.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/101268/

3 X1 class trams at Footscray station in March 1962.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/101389/

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#65

X2 class tram on Bourke Road, Camberwell in May 1963.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/102966/

 

X2 class tram coming out of Batman Avenue and turning in to Swanston Street in May 1963.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/102978/

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#66

The one-of-a-kind PCC class tram turning left into Elizabeth Street from Latrobe Street in September 1963.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/103222/

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#67

Bourke Street at Spencer Street, tram 1041 on first day of running on the 26 August 1973.

Tram 1041 was the last tram manufactured by the M&MTB at Preston.

It was a prototype used to assess the design features used in the subsequent Z classes.

It is now preserved at the Hawthorn Tramway Museum.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/112484/

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#68

W class trams at Camberwell Depot in March 1974.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/112853/

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#69

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/tram-routes-changed-abolished-in-shake...

Tram routes changed, abolished in shake-up to ease congestion

July 8, 2015 - 7:19AM Alana Schetzer

Three of Melbourne's busiest tram routes will be changed dramatically – and one scrapped altogether – as part of a public transport shake-up aimed at increasing capacity towards the city's booming western suburbs.

Route 8, which services Moreland to Toorak, will be abolished and merged with route 55, which will take passengers between Toorak and West Coburg via Domain Interchange. The new route 58 will travel via William Street, rather than the current Swanston Street.

Tram route 1, which runs from East Coburg to South Melbourne Beach, will instead terminate at Moreland Road, between Nicholson Street past Moreland Station, in Brunswick.

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Aussie Steve's picture
#70

I think this is a good change to our tram network.

A few other changes needed include a full north-south tram route along Glenferrie Rd/Hawthorn Rd from Kew to Brighton East; the permanent routing of the #3 tram through St Kilda every day not just weekends, and the removal of the #16 entirely; and the creation of a high speed, high capacity tram route along Dandenong Rd from Malvern Station to The University.

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#71

Horse Drawn Tram at the Bylands Tram Museum photographed back in March 1978.

Once used at the Zoo obviously.

Melbourne's Trams

http://www.westonlangford.com/images/photo/114095/

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drunkill's picture
#72

Well they're replacing the tracks at the corner near the end of the Carnegie (67) route. (cnr Glenhuntly & Truganini Roads) Perhaps C & D class trams will be able to run along it in the future, they only run the short D class trams as a test unit every now and again, never taking passengers.

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#73

Mirka Mora painted W class tram crossing Flinders Street running on Swanston Street ~ 1970s.

Melbourne's Trams

Stephen Lindburg, on Flickr

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#74

Flinders Street tram ~ 1970s.

Melbourne's Trams

Stephen Lindburg, on Flickr

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Adam Ford's picture
#75

Love the Mirka Mora. Does anyone know if any of the older art trams have been retained? I mean the NGV should have taken at least Mirka's and the Howard Arkley one. They are/were actually major works of both artists.

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#76

^^ Found out where they now are:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/06/07/1022982759728.html

Tram graveyard yields an art treasure

Melbourne's Trams

Howard Arkley tram.

Where is Arkley's tram now? When contacted, neither his mother Gwen, nor his former wife Elizabeth Gower, a fellow artist who also painted a Melbourne tram, knew what had become of it. Both thought it was gone forever, a piece of history lost.

The tram, however, is very much alive, and intact. The Age tracked it to a lonely paddock north of Melbourne. It is owned by tram enthusiast Chris Treganowan's Heritrack Trust, which has eight other historic W-class and S-class trams under restoration in a bush workshop at a location he asks to remain secret.

Mirka Mora's Chagall-like tram, meanwhile, is owned privately in Mt Eliza, and in good repair, for now. "It's in a garden by the sea," says Mora, who was very happy with her striking design of mythological figures, serpents and leaves. Her tram was many people's favourite; it is the best remembered.

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