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Mark Baljak's picture
#27

Qantas, still the same design

Hiap Hoe website

CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

Project Description:
1 Block of 51 storeys and
2 Block of 47 storeys

Total No. of Units:
658 apartments and
350-room hotel

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Mark Baljak's picture
#28

mmm 67 levels now, and goes very nicely

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drunkill's picture
#29

67 of a similar design to above should look interesting. As stated in the 54-64 A'Beckett street thread, EF wants to redesign the northern CBD by themselves.

As mentioned above though, street level could use some work.

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Mark Baljak's picture
#30

this one mimics Spowers Lonsdale Street frontage

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Mark Baljak's picture
#31

nth tower at 217 metres

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Nicholas Harrison's picture
#32

So 67 levels for the north tower and 48 for the south tower?

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Mark Baljak's picture
#33

51 and 166 metres for south tower which also has the hotel

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Nicholas Harrison's picture
#34

Sweet.

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Mark Baljak's picture
#35

Images © Elenberg Fraser

approved/Spowers and current/EF
CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

layout
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rectangular floor plate, facade panels doing the work
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ground - timothy lane
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podium
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podium top facilities
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CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

heights = RL232.3m/181.3m - RL14.8m
CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

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Melbourne_Fragments's picture
#36

Unfortunate that we end up with about the same amount of Lonsdale street given over to carpark entry as the current carpark.. and large blank walls facing the historic Heape Ct laneway. Still prefer the newer design to EF's older one, this seems more restrained and contemporary

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Nicholas Harrison's picture
#37

It looks like the entry to the carpark on Lonsdale Street has been reduced in width from four lanes to two lanes.

The existing building on the site is a real shocker and the improvements to the public realm resulting from this development will be significant.

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Peter Maltezos's picture
#38

^^ Agree, the inclusion of Timothy Lane running from Lonsdale to Little Lonsdale Street is a real plus as well!yes smileyyes

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Rohan Storey's picture
#39

Nice and shiny, assuming it will actually look like that.

My concern is that its a 40-50 storey tower that's a whole block long - no other bldg in CBD like that (gas and fuel was at least broken into two blocks). CofM proposed a few years ago that the max width of a bldg should be 35m, but that went nowhere.

So not only totally dominate the little old bldgs on eliz street (as long as they last) but will cast a looong wide shadow over eliz street certainly as far as far as the GPO in winter (though maybe not till 3pm ?) When the east side is in shade and no longer glittering. Any shadow diagrams ?

And there is the usual problem of most apts / units looking over lower bldgs that could go up one day, maybe with a blank wall on the boundary, hopefully not, this one has the now accepted 5m setback, assuming that any others would do the same (which might actually save 100£bend but maybe not) in which case there would be flats looking at a wall of other flats 10m away - is that the future of melb ??

Lookingupatbuildings

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Mark Baljak's picture
#40

here it is

CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

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Rohan Storey's picture
#41

Thanks mark, looks like shades half of post office steps at 3pm on equinox, so will shade more through the colder six months of the year (and earlier ? or later? I should know how that works...). Another well used mostly sunny open space no-one thought to protect. Though of course cant protect them all from overshadowing all the time.

Though I now recall that the City of Melb did a built form review in 2011 that included extending the 40m height limit across eliz almost up to queen street and up to the vic market, but that idea just stopped at ministers desk, never to be heard from again. Not surprised, since so many towers already proposed / approved in the area, it was doomed to be rejected !

Lookingupatbuildings

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Qantas743's picture
#42

This one appears to have been given the green light by council:

http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/AboutCouncil/Meetings/Lists/CouncilMeeti...

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melbourne's picture
#43

Now 70 levels and 55 levels.

CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

CBD | 380 Melbourne | 380 Lonsdale Street | 213m & 166m | 70L & 55L | Mixed Use

 

 

 

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melbourne's picture
#44

This has been approved.

I find it hilarious everyone carrying about how development is going to come to a halt with the new Planning Minister, now one of the first projects he approves is 200m+.

If it means we're going to get better designed towers (larger apartments, maybe less blank walls?) and better street activation, then I don't think I will have a problem with this guy.

High-rise apartment and hotel complex includes laneway in Melbourne CBD
JOHN MASANAUSKAS CITY EDITOR HERALD SUN MARCH 11, 2015 10:39AM SHARE

THE Melbourne CBD will get a new laneway as part of a 69-level apartment and hotel complex in Lonsdale St.

Planning Minister Richard Wynne has approved the project while warning developers that the Government will introduce new standards to ensure future apartments built in the city are not too small.

Mr Wynne said the proposed tower at 380 Lonsdale St was an example of fine urban design that worked well at street level.

“There is a place for height in the city but good design must be at the core of that and what is happening on the ground,” he told a Property Council of Victoria event this morning."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/high-rise-apartment-and-hotel-...

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Melbman's picture
#45

^^ To me, he has made numerous contradictory statements that seem to confuse more than anything else.

He has talked this up as a good design outcome at ground level, but as a whole all I take from it is add a laneway, a few shops and you are set for approval. It does little to reduce wind tunnel effects or overshadowing of the city, which is something he seems to hold so dear to him.

Its a far better outcome than the building it replaces, but I can't see how this is held in such high regard by him or the CoM and some others aren't.

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Qantas743's picture
#46

A good decision, obviously.

This one was easy to approve given CoM's glowing endorsement of it. His real test will come with some of the stuff in Southbank (Crown etc.) given that's where council usually puts up a fight about anything over 160m.

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Melbman's picture
#47

^^ If the CoM spent more time coming up with a decent ground level strategy then they would have an area that will work, but focusing on building height over anything else has come at a cost. One look at what CE dishes up so often should make one consider that acceptable height is not always the right solution.

Hopefully common sense prevails and the CoM and State govt can work together for sensible design outcomes, not myopic, illogical decision making that seems to come from so many decisions.

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Qantas743's picture
#48

Also keep in mind the local MP - Martin Foley - has been VERY critical of development in Southbank over recent years and has even called for a moratorium on development in Fishermans Bend until a new plan is drawn up.

No doubt he'll be ear-bashing Wynne.

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Melbourne_Fragments's picture
#49

I beleve the City of Melbourne came up with a comprehensive strategy for ground floors, setbacks, wind effects, building design standards and some height limits over more of the low rise core, a few years ago , only to have the amendment quetly buried by Justin Madden

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Mark Baljak's picture
#50

and another

AFR
Victorian planning minister Richard Wynne approves Hiap Hoe project

Victoria's new Planning Minister Richard Wynne has approved a 68-storey tower in the centre of Melbourne, making the announcement at his first major public address in the new role.

The $400 million-plus project at 380 Lonsdale Street, put forward by listed Singaporean developer Hiap Hoe, comprises two towers - with the second tower at 52 levels - above a seven-level podium.

The Elenberg Fraser designed development comprises more than a 1,000 apartment, some of them in a hotel, along with retail and commercial office space.

It was one of three Melbourne sites acquired in quick succession two years ago by Hiap Hoe, which struck an agreement with Starwood to operate the Lonsdale Street hotel

Mr Wynne praised the twin-tower project and its feature laneway, as an example of good design that would work well at the street level.

"There is a place for height in our city but good design always must be at the core of that."

Mr Wynne was thrown into the role after last November's election victory when Labor's planning spokesman Brian Tee unexpectedly lost his seat. In another twist, soon after fighting off a strong Green challenge in his own inner-city seat of Richmond, Mr Wynne suffered a heart attack.

A former lord mayor of Melbourne and a housing minister, Mr Wynne has only just resumed his post.

Addressing a Property Council of Australia conference, the new minister set out key planning policies as Melbourne prepares for a five-fold increase in population over the next decade.

Among them is a plan to develop Melbourne's inner north with a transport interchange, a metro rail tunnel, and a large parcel of railway land, known as E-gate, as well as Fishermans Bend, in the city's south.

Mr Wynne warned he would take a strong line on minimum standards for apartment sizes, which were drafted under the previous government, but not yet enforced. The government is reviewing those standards

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Nicholas Harrison's picture
#51

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